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天主教的教义?

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发表于 2007-5-28 19:24 | 显示全部楼层
I gotta go, talk to ya later
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发表于 2007-5-28 22:19 | 显示全部楼层
指犹太人的西伯来文本
就我所知,亚木尼亚会议把含有圣经后典的希腊文旧约给排斥了
但是旧约后典,天主教会和东正教会都是一致接纳的,尽管在细节部分存在分歧
圣经后典虽然在特里安腾会议上得到强化,
但绝对不是排斥新教的产物

老毛子是俄罗斯东正教
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-5-28 22:30:40编辑过]
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发表于 2007-5-28 22:24 | 显示全部楼层
另外,尽管东西方教会都接纳后典
但西方教会认为是后典
而东方教会认为那是与正典平等的
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发表于 2007-5-29 12:41 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用米格在2007-5-28 22:19:00的发言:
指犹太人的西伯来文本
就我所知,亚木尼亚会议把含有圣经后典的希腊文旧约给排斥了
但是旧约后典,天主教会和东正教会都是一致接纳的,尽管在细节部分存在分歧
圣经后典虽然在特里安腾会议上得到强化,
但绝对不是排斥新教的产物

老毛子是俄罗斯东正教

The council of Jemnia repelled Septuagint, yes

But it's because of its influence in the Christian circle.

It has become a Christian canon.

The Jews wanted non of it and developed their own translation from Masora scrolls

However, the Apocrypha had NEVER been part of the Jewish canon in the first place.

It was translated along with the Septuagint, but not as part of it.

Besides, the council decided on the sequence of the books (22 instead of 24, with Ruth in Judges and Lamentations in Jeremiah and the 12 prophets in one volumn), which was acknowledged by the early church fathers like Athanasius.
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发表于 2007-5-29 12:43 | 显示全部楼层
By the way, the coucil's decision was not accepted by all the Jews. At least those in Ethiopia till this very day don't buy it. They are the "Beta Isreal" folks, if you happen to know about "Operation Moses" in 1984.
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发表于 2007-5-29 12:49 | 显示全部楼层
The sacred and holy, ecumenical, and general Synod of Trent,--lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost, the Same three legates of the Apostolic Sec presiding therein,--keeping this always in view, that, errors being removed, the purity itself of the Gospel be preserved in the Church; which (Gospel), before promised through the prophets in the holy Scriptures, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, first promulgated with His own mouth, and then commanded to be preached by His Apostles to every creature, as the fountain of all, both saving truth, and moral discipline; and seeing clearly that this truth and discipline are contained in the written books, and the unwritten traditions which, received by the Apostles from the mouth of Christ himself, or from the Apostles themselves, the Holy Ghost dictating, have come down even unto us, transmitted as it were from hand to hand; (the Synod) following the examples of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates with an equal affection of piety, and reverence, all the books both of the Old and of the New Testament--seeing that one God is the author of both -- as the also said traditions, as well those appertaining to faith as to morals, as having been dictated, either by Christ's own word of mouth, or by the Holy Ghost, and preserved in the Catholic Church by a continuous succession. And it has thought it meet that a list of the sacred books be inserted in this decree, lest a doubt may arise in any one's mind, which are the books that are received by this Synod. They are as set down here below: of the Old Testament: the five books of Moses, to wit, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy; Josue, Judges, Ruth, four books of Kings, two of Paralipomenon, the first book of Esdras, and the second which is entitled Nehemias; Tobias, Judith, Esther, Job, the Davidical Psalter, consisting of a hundred and fifty psalms; the Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Canticle of Canticles, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Isaias, Jeremias, with Baruch; Ezechiel, Daniel; the twelve minor prophets, to wit, Osee, Joel, Amos, Abdias, Jonas, Micheas, Nahum, Habacuc, Sophonias, Aggaeus, Zacharias, Malachias; two books of the Machabees, the first and the second. Of the New Testament: the four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; the Acts of the Apostles written by Luke the Evangelist; fourteen epistles of Paul the apostle, (one) to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, (one) to the Galatians, to the Ephesians, to the Philippians, to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, two to Timothy, (one) to Titus, to Philemon, to the Hebrews; two of Peter the apostle, three of John the apostle, one of the apostle James, one of Jude the apostle, and the Apocalypse of John the apostle. But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema.
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发表于 2007-5-29 12:50 | 显示全部楼层
That was part of the decree from Trent.

The apocrypha is oral tradition.
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发表于 2007-5-29 13:05 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用米格在2007-5-28 22:24:00的发言:
另外,尽管东西方教会都接纳后典
但西方教会认为是后典
而东方教会认为那是与正典平等的

In the Eastern Orthodox belief, the deutero-canonical writings are not given the same authority as the OT and NT.

I wonder where you got this mis-information. But sure it is something one can learn from and defend against later on. 
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发表于 2007-5-29 13:06 | 显示全部楼层
Hey MiG, I guess no one else is interested in all this stuff.

What do you say if we get together sometime after you get back from school?
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发表于 2007-5-29 16:33 | 显示全部楼层

天主教是不是也有不同的教派?
我在天津见过的天主教,不但进门要跪神像(圣母),出门之前也要例行跪拜,然后谦卑的退出去。
相反的,耶稣基督的神像反而被摆在了偏厅,很不显眼的位置。这是为什么呢?
同时,教堂两边陈列了非常多的所谓圣像、圣神、圣座。
有一个捐款箱,一个蜡烛一块钱(成本不到1毛),说是只要买一个蜡烛,圣母就会保佑你,答应你的祈求!
整个教堂,都是圣母、圣母的宣传,很少有耶稣基督的教训。

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