希望从本贴开始，停止争吵，平心静气的讨论问题

anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 05:57

[edit] Opposition and support

Most Americans are unaware of the Christian Identity Movement.^{[citation needed]} Despite its low profile, Christian Identity has influenced many white supremacist and extreme anti-government movements.^{[citation needed]} Some Neo-Nazis reject Christian Identity because they see Christianity as a religion based on the Hebrew Bible and since they reject all things seen as influenced by Jews, they reject Christianity^{[citation needed]}. They believe that both modern Jews and the Biblical Israelites are genealogically related.^{[citation needed]} Some modern neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and White Power groups place an emphasis on their belief in God and on their version of Christianity.^{[citation needed]} Whether neo-Nazi and Fascist movements promote Christianity or a form of neo-Paganism depends on the beliefs and on the ideology of the specific leadership of the organisations or movements, and as a general rule is never strictly one way or the other.^{[citation needed]} Other White Nationalists, particularly among Pan Europeans (White Nationalists who define all peoples of European origin as White) and Pan Aryans (White Nationalists who define race strictly biologically and extend acceptance not only to all Europeans, but extra European Whites as well) reject Christian Identity as a divisive North European supremacist movement that divides racial Whites along sub-racial and religious lines and as a movement and in so doing gravely imperils the White race at a time of great demographic, social and political decline. They also view its rejection of Non-Nordic Whites as being irrational and lacking in any scientific foundation.

[edit] Footnotes

^ Quarles, Chester L. (2004). Christian Identity: The Aryan American Bloodline Religion. McFarland & Company. pp. 68. ISBN 978-0786418923. http://books.google.com/books?id=r5BzY2eeyngC&pg=PA68&dq=%22christian+identity%22+%22no+soul%22+pre-adamic&num=100&ei=5V1ESO6JD6HQjgGt362IBQ&client=firefox-a&sig=_871uTDGThFsjB3KrCEUetXS0_k.
^ http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/SCM.asp
^ King, Wayne. The New York Times. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE1DE163FF932A1575BC0A966958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print. Retrieved April 30, 2010.
^ Reason Magazine - Ambush at Ruby Ridge.
^ Barkun, Michael (1996). "preface". Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. University of North Carolina Press. pp. x. ISBN 0-8078-4638-4.
^ Christian Defense League by D. Boylan 2004 Revision.
^ http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/who-deny/who-deny4.html
^ Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk, Khazarian Jews.
^ "Carl Story, Vincent Bertollini and the 11th Hour Remnant Messenger: The Ideology of Hate". Anti-Defamation League. 2000. http://www.adl.org/tycoons/intro.asp. Retrieved 2007-08-17.
^ Crosswalk - Devotionals, Christian Music, Family, Christian News, Forums & more.
^ WHO ARE THE JEWS? By: Bertrand Comparet.
^ Adam was not the First Man.
^ Welcome - Mission to Israel.
^ Kinsman Redeemer Ministries.
^ I Come As A Thief.
^ [1]^{[dead link]}
^ The Dust of Conflict - South African Military History Society - Journal

[edit] Bibliography

Barkun, M. (1994). Religion and the racist right: the origins of the Christian Identity movement. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press.
Hill, David. The Gospel of Matthew. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1981.
Ingram, W.L., (1995). God and Race: British-Israelism and Christian Identity, p. 119-126 in T. Miller, Ed., America's Alternative Religions, SUNY Press, Albany NY.
Kaplan, Jeffrey, (1997). Radical Religion in America, Syracuse, N.Y.: Syracuse University Press. pp. 47–48.
Lakeland, P. (1997). Postmodernity: Christian identity in a fragmented age. Guides to theological inquiry. Minneapolis: Fortress Press.
Quarles, C. L. (2004). Christian Identity: the Aryan American bloodline religion. Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland.
Roberts, Charles H. (2003). Race over Grace: The Racialist Religion of the Christian Identity Movement, Omaha, Nebraska: iUniverse Press. ISBN 0-595-28197-4.

anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 05:57

[edit] External links

United Church of YHWH
Could You Be An Israelite and Not Know It?
Kingdom Identity Ministries
Christian Identity in the Klan
Christian Identity in the Imperial Klans
The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement by Michael Barkun. Reviewed by Nida Javaid March 9, 2006

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity"

anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 05:58

[edit] External links

United Church of YHWH
Could You Be An Israelite and Not Know It?
Kingdom Identity Ministries
Christian Identity in the Klan
Christian Identity in the Imperial Klans
The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement by Michael Barkun. Reviewed by Nida Javaid March 9, 2006

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity"

anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 05:58

[edit] External links

United Church of YHWH
Could You Be An Israelite and Not Know It?
Kingdom Identity Ministries
Christian Identity in the Klan
Christian Identity in the Imperial Klans
The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement by Michael Barkun. Reviewed by Nida Javaid March 9, 2006

anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 05:59

Church of Jesus Christ–Christian

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For other organizations that use the name "Church of Jesus Christ", see Church of Jesus Christ (disambiguation).

The Church of Jesus Christ–Christian is a white supremacist church, which was founded in 1946 by Ku Klux Klan organizer Wesley A. Swift. Swift was the son of a Methodist Episcopal Church, South minister and is considered a significant figure in the early years of the Christian Identity movement in the United States.^[1]

[edit] History

The church was originally known as the White Identity Church of Jesus Christ–Christian, assuming its present name in 1957. After Wesley Swift's death in 1970, the ministry was continued by his wife Lorraine Swift.

In February 2001, the names "Church of Jesus Christ–Christian" and "Aryan Nations" were transferred to Victoria and Jason Keenan when the Keenans won a US $6.3 million lawsuit against the organizations after being attacked by Aryan Nations paramilitary soldiers; the Aryan Nations compound was also transferred to the Keenans.^[2] In March 2001, the Keenans sold the compound to the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based Carr Foundation, a human rights organization which plans to build a human rights center on the property.^[3]

The church resurfaced in September 2004 upon the death of Richard Butler, who resumed the ministry after the death of Swift.^{[citation needed]} The church is now headed by a council of three men, including Senior Pastor Jonathan Williams and Senior Pastor Gerald O'Brien.

Teachings

Among the group's teachings are the view that all non-whites—who are labelled "mud people"—have no souls and hence, no place at all in the afterlife; and since they are not going either to Heaven or Hell after they die, they have no incentive to self-regulate their earthly behavior. Jews are considered a race of devils born from Eve and Satan, and the church believes that they were placed on earth to do his bidding.

[edit] References

^ "Christian Identity". Anti-Defamation League. 2007. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity.asp. Retrieved 2007-08-25.
^ "Attorney Morris Dees pioneer in using 'damage litigation' to fight hate groups". CNN. 2000-09-08. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/09/08/morris.dees.profile/. Retrieved 2007-08-30.
^ Wakin, Daniel J. (2004-09-09). "Richard G. Butler, 86, Dies; Founder of the Aryan Nations". New York Times. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50D1EF93C540C7A8CDDA00894DC404482. Retrieved 2007-08-30.

Further reading

On the Edge: Political Cults Right and Left by Dennis Tourish, and Tim Wohlforth, 2000.

难得糊涂 · 发表于 2010-6-22 06:04

以下是引用anglocatholic在2010-6-22 5:49:00的发言：

注册这个论坛之前，和1个calvinist 以及1个liberal protestant (都是白人）爆发了严重的冲突，当时不知道，刚才我的朋友告诉我他才发现他们两个是种族主义分子，而且是骗子，他们来了以后背后说了我很多坏话——怪不得他们来了以后教会里的很多人对我和其他非白人成年人的态度变了。（圣公会是一个diversity的教会，我所在的教省被catholic and protestant同时影响的很厉害，但是因为现在圣公会在我所在的国家已经是minority了，因为持续性的人数减少和教堂合并所以不得不高低派“联合礼拜”而没有分裂的能力。）

其实我之前一直是相当的ecumenism，尽管他们宣称自己是calvinist /liberal protestant 而且经常公开刁难我，但我一直很克制很理性的对他们，一直到他们直接表达出种族歧视观点并怂恿教会的其他人排挤我。要不是我的那个朋友事后告诉我他们两个是种族主义分子，我真的很难想象在21世纪的教会内会有种族歧视存在！

在和他们破裂之前，我和他们以及上述的那个朋友经常一起聊天讨论各种问题：信仰，教会，神学，社会，历史等等。我曾经把国内的联合礼拜三自教会的wikipedia英文页面发给那个“calvinist”作为对大陆新教的介绍，结果他看了2秒钟就直接回了一句“这不是教会，是政治组织”然后就转到其他话题了。现在看看，这很有可能是种族歧视的结论——他抱怨我总是讨论中国问题，而实际上我们绝大多数讨论的问题，都是普世性的或者个人的。

因为他们2个人一直宣称自己是calvinist /liberal protestant，前者甚至在公众舆论面前公然叫嚣“如果祭台上有罗马天主教的神职人员，我就立刻转身离开那个教会”，所以我一直以为典型的protestant都是那样的疯子（目前最嚣张的种族歧视教会之一Church of Jesus Christ Christian,就是methodist/Baptist起家的，我的回帖http://www.jonahome.net/bbs/dispbbs.asp?boardid=59&Id=56566&page=1&star=2 中提到的纳粹福音基督教和德国信义会也是纯粹的新教，另外3K党也带有相当的新教色彩），相比之下各公教不但没有明显的种族主义特征，而且强调普世性，爱，和众人的得救，所以在和他们破裂之后就一直对纯粹新教很没好感。

希望大家能够理解我的这个经历对我造成的伤害。我希望从本贴开始，我们能够停止争吵，平心静气的讨论问题。

The lord be with thee

and with thy spirit.

很理解你。但是你这个帖子许多人看不懂，也不会费劲去查字典。天主教，就是你说的公教很好啊，全世界人数比新教多，再加上圣公会就更是多数派了。圣公会内部有些人偏向新教的教义，你可以试试转到大公教会就可以啦。

以前上大学的时候新疆维吾尔族的民族班（平均高考成绩100分（大概700满分？））欺负殴打我们汉族人，还骂我们是"东亚病夫“。校方和政-府民族事务管理部门从来都是压制我们汉族学生，所以我到现在都对从新疆到土耳其的突厥人都很仇视。我这样的民族歧视是不对的。

你对纯粹新教很没好感，我很理解，也支持你的决定。我是你的话，我会选择离开约拿的家，因为这是纯的新教的论坛，不属于我。大公教会在世界上占多数，飞出这个笼子，外面海阔天空。

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lightzou · 发表于 2010-6-22 06:09

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anglocatholic · 发表于 2010-6-22 06:17

如果只从我个人角度考虑，直接离开肯定是最轻松的方式. 但是这样的分离会导致不同群体之间的沟通进一步减少，会给未来埋下更大隐患。

我很理解你的感受，因为我也是种族歧视的受害者，而且现在仍然是——在教会里的一些年轻人仍然无视我，他们把我当成空气一样，让我感觉很不舒服。

中国的当代民族问题，不仅仅是民族问题，还混有很多的社会发展不均衡、政策以及意识形态问题，为了这个论坛的安全，我觉得最好不要展开。

难得糊涂你也是受过高等教育的人，我相信你能明白种族问题只能去冷静的面对，采取隔离政策是解决不了任何问题的，以暴抗暴更不可取。

夏冰雪 · 发表于 2010-6-22 12:04

他们把我当成空气一样，让我感觉很不舒服。空气很好，人离了空气就没有气息了

夏冰雪 · 发表于 2010-6-22 12:05

以下是引用anglocatholic在2010-6-22 6:17:00的发言：

如果只从我个人角度考虑，直接离开肯定是最轻松的方式. 但是这样的分离会导致不同群体之间的沟通进一步减少，会给未来埋下更大隐患。

我很理解你的感受，因为我也是种族歧视的受害者，而且现在仍然是——在教会里的一些年轻人仍然无视我，他们把我当成空气一样，让我感觉很不舒服。

中国的当代民族问题，不仅仅是民族问题，还混有很多的社会发展不均衡、政策以及意识形态问题，为了这个论坛的安全，我觉得最好不要展开。

难得糊涂你也是受过高等教育的人，我相信你能明白种族问题只能去冷静的面对，采取隔离政策是解决不了任何问题的，以暴抗暴更不可取。

太厉害了

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