[讨论]‘父’是耶稣的人性对神的称呼吗？

小天牛

Father is the Father, and unbegotten;
Son is the Son, begotten and not unbegotten, for He is from the Father;
Holy Ghost, not begotten but proceeding, for He is from the Father.

There is nothing created, nothing of the first and second order, nothing lord and servant;
but there is unity and trinity
- there was, there is, and there shall be forever -
which is perceived and adored by faith -
by faith, not by inquiry, nor by searching out, nor by visible manifestation;
for the more He is sought out, the more He is unknown, and the more He is investigated, the more He is hidden.

And so, let the faithful adore God with a mind that is not overcurious. And believe that He is God in three hypostases, although the manner in which He is so is beyond manner, for God is incomprehensible. Do not ask how the Trinity is Trinity, for the Trinity is inscrutable.

But, if you are curious about God, first tell me of yourself and the things that pertain to you. How does your soul have existence? How is your mind set in motion? How do you produce your mental concepts? How is it that you are both mortal and immortal? But, if you are ignorant of these things which are within you, then why do you not shudder at the thought of investigating the sublime things of heaven?

小天牛

Think of the Father as a spring of life begetting the Son like a river and the Holy Ghost like a sea, for the spring and the river and sea are all one nature.

Think of the Father as a root, and of the Son as a branch, and the Spirit as a fruit, for the substance in these three is one.

The Father is a sun with the Son as rays and the Holy Ghost as heat.

The Holy Trinity transcends by far every similitude and figure. So, when you hear of an offspring of the Father, do not think of a corporeal offspring. And when you hear that there is a Word, do not suppose Him to be a corporeal word. And when you hear of the Spirit of God, do not think of wind and breath. Rather, hold you persuasion with a simple faith alone. For the concept of the Creator is arrived at by analogy from His creatures.

Be persuaded, moreover, that the incarnate dispensation of the Son of God was begotten ineffably without seed of the blessed Virgin, believing Him to be without confusion and without change both God and man, who for your sake worked all the dispensation. And to Him by good works give worship and adoration, and venerate and revere the most holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary as true Mother of God, and all the saints as His attendants.

Doing thus, you will be a right worshiper of the holy and undivided Trinity, Father and Son and Holy Ghost, of the one Godhead, to whom be glory and honor and adoration forever and ever. Amen

小天牛

"So, when you hear of an offspring of the Father, do not think of a corporeal offspring."

it can answer the question.

小天牛

He believes that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

That's the common belief in the Eastern Orthodox church.

Guess you are very interested in the theological thinkings of the Eastern Church? Including the Cappadocian Fathers?

Sounds cool...

We now have some of their writings available in Chinese.

I do not have a deep understanding of Gregory of Naziazus (sign)

But Gregory of Nyssa is pretty good, though his "science" rots in today's people's eyes...

I don't like their ideas on being single though

 

 

 

小天牛

以下是引用Damascus在2007-5-31 12:07:00的发言：

噢！您对加帕多西亚教父和大马士革的圣约翰的三一论是怎么看的？

大马士革兄弟，你对东方教会有研究？

若月

楼上的弟兄的英语强啊。

倒。

惭愧中啊。

小天牛

汗...

感谢CCTV，感谢MTV，感谢总是出故障的Microsoft中文输入法（还是体验版）给我这个机会...